Changing Their Stripes
Sometimes you just have to pause and tip your cap to your opponent. The Tigers have done something in this series that no one expected. They've shown patience and have approached the A's pitchers in a method more reminiscent of the Yankees than the free swinging Motowners from the regular season.
They had an outstanding approach in every single game. And Rogers obviously had a great plan on how to pitch against the A's. It also helped that the A's approach was just miserable and as though the A's didn't get a scouting report before the game.
If you had told me before the series started that the A's wouldn't get a hit from Frank Thomas for the first three games, I would tell you they would be down 0-3. And that's exactly the case. Thomas carried the A's offense for the latter half of the season and maybe people have learned how to pitch to Frank a little more effectively or he's tired or he's pressing. Maybe it's a little of everything. But Thomas and Swisher are keys to this team's offense. But Thomas more than anyone.
Stop the D'Angelo Jimenez complaining too. No one wants Jimenez out there, but you're essentially down to your fourth infielder. The truth is that you win and lose as a team. The A's approach at the plate was awful, especially for an ump who had a very tight strike zone. The Tigers looked like the green and gold today. And you're never going to win a game without scoring runs.
The only objective the A's should have at this point is to try to get some respectability. It's easy for all the columnists who were saying the A's were going to win this series to jump ship. And even though the A's beat a team that was probably superior to them in the first round, expect to start to hear the familiar refrains about the team. People love to hate our lovable muppets.
Congrats to Rich Harden on a successful postseason start. You had an excellent game after an understandably rusty first two innings. I truly hope that if we don't see you again in 2006, that we'll have you for an entire 2007. The prospect makes me very excited.
Any way, the season comes down to Danny Haren against Jeremy Bonderman, the kid who will look to stab the organization that traded him away in the heart. Expect to see an amped Bonderman tomorrow as he's always loved beating the A's. This would be an ultimate victory for him. Haren remains the A's hope to extend the series one more game and give Barry Zito a chance to end his career in green and gold on a much brighter note.
But truthfully, the A's need to be the patient hitters they've been all season long. Make Bonderman throw strikes. Take a lesson from the Tigers who've gone against the old saying and have been able to change their stripes.
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the Tigers have played like
If the A's have any chance -- even to make this series a bit closer than it has been -- they are going to have to play like the better team.
On a lighter note, Tim Hudson will be on the postgame show.
by OaklandSi on Oct 13, 2006 4:52 PM PDT 0 recs
Couldn't agree more...
I'm just glad I didn't have to go into the off season thinking that 0-12 in clinching games was still there.
Hey great year so far, considering the injuries we've had I'm VERY pleased with this season.
by Rickey35 on
Oct 13, 2006 5:17 PM PDT
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The Tigers are just playing like they always do
The A's are the ones who seem to be so fixated on "post-season baseball" being so different they have to go out there and try and be something they aren't.
To me, the most encouraging thing that happened today was Nick Swisher actually putting a ball in play. He got thrown out, but at least the Puddy Tats had to work a little for the out.
It would be nice if the A's would play at least one game in Detroit as they played all season, and super-nice if the Tigers would play like they did oin their late-season tailspin. That's the only thing that can turn this turkey around.
by Mossback on
Oct 13, 2006 6:11 PM PDT
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I totally agree
by tinez on
Oct 14, 2006 1:52 AM PDT
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The Tigers are singles hitters
by rfloh on
Oct 13, 2006 10:21 PM PDT
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Pretty much
by Mossback on
Oct 13, 2006 11:22 PM PDT
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Marcus Thames? Craig Monroe? Curtis Granderson?
Have you looked at the A's slugging percentage? The Tigers?
by rfloh on
Oct 14, 2006 12:22 AM PDT
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Not a single 30-HR guy on their team.
Then again, that could also be a product of that ginormous ballpark.
by bigthree17 on
Oct 14, 2006 12:26 AM PDT
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Detroit had a slugging
For comparison, the White Sox were 1st with 464, the Pirates last, with 397.
Just because the Tigers don't have a guy who achieved some arbitrary number doesn't mean that they have less power than the A's.
Pretty much all the Tigers starters, with the exception of Sean Casey, have good or at least decent extra base hit abilities.
by rfloh on
Oct 14, 2006 8:16 AM PDT
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In this series it's been singles and walks
In this series, the Tigers have 28 hits: 18 singles, 5 doubles, 5 homers. The A's have 21 hits: 13 singles, 5 doubles, and 3 homers. The Tigers have an OBP of .356 to .290 for the A's. That's the difference in the series, not the two extra homers.
Another big stat is 24 SOs for the A's, and only 15 for the Puddy Tats. The only A who can score on a strikeout is Scutaro, and he needs to be on second base to do it.
by Mossback on
Oct 14, 2006 11:02 AM PDT
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My point was that
by rfloh on
Oct 14, 2006 11:36 AM PDT
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Oh and if anything
by Blez on Oct 13, 2006 4:53 PM PDT 0 recs
but that pressure will build with each
by ak_A on
Oct 13, 2006 4:56 PM PDT
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I'm keeping some hope for a 4 game win streak
by tomoyo on Oct 13, 2006 4:56 PM PDT 0 recs
nice summary
and passion. i wouldnt have minded if
payton charged the mound today after
rogers struck him out in the 7th and
had a rather extended celebration on
the mound. i dont like to see the a's
just take this crap tamely without a
fight.
apart from bradley, kotsay and at times
kendall there hasnt been another player
whose shown me that he really and truly
cares. and as a fan that's what really
bugs me.
by oak1 on Oct 13, 2006 4:56 PM PDT 0 recs
Dude you need to start watching hockey
by Blez on
Oct 13, 2006 5:02 PM PDT
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well ...
detroit today;)
by oak1 on
Oct 13, 2006 5:05 PM PDT
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I Disagree
by Shippee33 on
Oct 13, 2006 5:04 PM PDT
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wow
by AsFanTexas on
Oct 13, 2006 5:05 PM PDT
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yeah, my mind wants to stop
by ak_A on
Oct 13, 2006 5:07 PM PDT
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the colliseum was pumped
certainly didnt channel their energies into
the game. i think more there is more than
one player who played the first two games
with stars in his eyes just happy to
be there to care about moving one step
further. or perhaps the national attention
was a bit much for the younger players. i'd
like to see some guys actually feel a little
upset about losing games in the postseason,
rather than laying back and waiting for the
next day without changing the game plan.
especially if that game plan isnt working.
by oak1 on
Oct 13, 2006 5:11 PM PDT
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Charging the mound...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Oct 13, 2006 5:05 PM PDT
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did you see the way Rogers celebrated?
i officially hate kenny rogers after today's game
for dominating the a's the way he has. and shoving
it up our nose for good measure.
by oak1 on
Oct 13, 2006 5:15 PM PDT
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I agree.
by poetwee on
Oct 13, 2006 6:53 PM PDT
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i posted this in the other thread
jimenez has a better series average
than:
thomas
chavez
swisher
scutaro
by AsFanTexas on Oct 13, 2006 4:58 PM PDT 0 recs
I love the A's. No matter what.
by capper3 on Oct 13, 2006 4:58 PM PDT 0 recs
Thanks Blez
I am not giving up but it is fair to give the Tigers and Leyland their due. Macha is a good skipper but Leyland is the man. I have a feeling if Leyland was the A's manager that Harden would have started game 1 with Zito going in game 2. The rotation never lined up well for this series. Game 2 is critical and the A's wasted their limited offense on a weak Loaiza performance.
by yblood2hof on Oct 13, 2006 4:59 PM PDT 0 recs
pitching rotation
as has already been pointed out several times
earlier. i just didnt see the merit of loiaza
pitching second but anyway billy beane made the
call and there you have it.
but i must say that with the way the a's offense
has been going this series the order of the
pitching rotation is probably immaterial to
the final outcome. unless we get our offense
going its going to be a short series.
by oak1 on
Oct 13, 2006 5:03 PM PDT
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This is the cap being tipped. <tip>
The thing that really kills me inside is the idea that the Coliseum will sit quiet next week. That there'll be no more foul lines on the grass, no more drummers in the stands, no more chants and Stomper dances and endless hours of our boys on the field.
I love October baseball, and the idea of it ending is just heart-wrenching. The idea of never seeing Barry Zito stride out on that field in a white uniform with green socks at his knees breaks my heart. I wanted to see him in a World Series game. I wanted to see him stare down the competition in Game 1.
The past month and a half have been rough for me, but I've always been able to come home to the A's, and that means everything to me. They gave us one hell of a ride, and it's genuinely made a difference in my life. I'm not ready for it to be over.
Seeing them in the ALCS is amazing, even with the losses... And they may be down 3-0, but honestly, I'm not ready to give up yet. The boys were NAILS for quite awhile this season, they've made it so far this season, let's just give 'em some hope and joy and excitement until the very last minute of their ride in the playoffs. Because it's sure as hell not over yet.
We've seen before that it's not over, it's never over until that final damn out. Haren's a big game pitcher, tomorrow's a big game. I really believe these boys won't go down quietly -- let's make this a race. There's more baseball to play.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Oct 13, 2006 5:00 PM PDT 0 recs
Amen Kyli
by The Elephant on
Oct 13, 2006 5:56 PM PDT
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It sure is hard being down this way
Kielty DP'd in his only appearance, but the A's were already down 3-0.
Those things that went our way last week are not going our way this week, and here we are - in a position we all hate. And more than likely, we're going to have at least one more painful game where we all turn off the TV set after yelling at one more out in yet another painful inning of a frustrating game. Then, we count the days until Spring Training. It's how baseball works. 29 teams will go home frustrated. We just never want it to be us.
by louismg on Oct 13, 2006 5:01 PM PDT 0 recs
Hitting lefty
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Oct 13, 2006 6:37 PM PDT
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Hey I am not going to stop
by IM4Oakgal on Oct 13, 2006 5:02 PM PDT 0 recs
thats a cop out
thomas, chavez and swisher have made just as many mistakes as jimenez
this jimenez bashing is stupid, hes not a money player, hes not supposed to carry us
by AsFanTexas on
Oct 13, 2006 5:04 PM PDT
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hey all-knowing AN veterans
by HugeAthleticSupporter on
Oct 13, 2006 5:23 PM PDT
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so being a athletics supprter means...
by HugeAthleticSupporter on
Oct 13, 2006 5:51 PM PDT
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calling names is criticism?
by ArakSOT on
Oct 13, 2006 5:54 PM PDT
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criticize
- to find fault with
- to judge the merits and faults of; evaluate
Bobby Crosby is frequently hurt. This time it's his back, but it's always something. In my opinion, he is a puss. Calling someone a name can qualify as criticism.
by HugeAthleticSupporter on
Oct 13, 2006 7:30 PM PDT
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You're right
by Mossback on
Oct 13, 2006 11:20 PM PDT
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<shakes Magic 8-Ball>
by Jennifer on
Oct 13, 2006 5:32 PM PDT
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for the A's...
by HugeAthleticSupporter on
Oct 13, 2006 5:47 PM PDT
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<Lotus Notes was better>
by jeepers on
Oct 13, 2006 7:41 PM PDT
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Groupwise!
by eamb on
Oct 13, 2006 8:28 PM PDT
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How do you figure?
I think a valid complaint is that the A's want to emphasize defense, and are willing to tolerate o'fers offensively to get it. Macha wants Kotsay in the lineup against the lefties over Kielty because he gives the A's the best defensive outfield. Fine, I can accept that and get behind it. However, your defensive infield is more important than outfield, yet Jimenez gets sent out there despite making defensive plays college coaches don't tolerate out of their second basemen. Now, the counter argument is who would I rather have out there? Ginter, for one. He is no worse than Jimenez defensively, and I happen to think a little better. He also has the potential to be more effective offensively. I realize that the A's would have had to sign him for next year, but I just wish they would be honest when they give the reason Ginter wasn't added to the roster. His defense had nothing to do with it. Macha described it as "average." Well, Jimenez is below average.
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 13, 2006 5:27 PM PDT
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FiF?
by TempletonPeck on
Oct 13, 2006 5:36 PM PDT
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He's Our FIFTH Infielder.
by Eck on
Oct 13, 2006 8:22 PM PDT
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He's actually the
- Chavez
- Crosby
- Elllis
- Swisher
- Scutaro
- Perez
- Jimenez/Johnson
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 13, 2006 8:27 PM PDT
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There ya go Mike
by IM4Oakgal on
Oct 13, 2006 7:23 PM PDT
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re
Forget the series, just win tomorrow.
by 31Boots on Oct 13, 2006 5:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Bonderman matchup
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 13, 2006 5:28 PM PDT
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are you sure?
Of course, this is the postseason.
by OaklandSi on
Oct 13, 2006 5:33 PM PDT
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My fault
Thanks for the correction.
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 13, 2006 5:38 PM PDT
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Blez....Great writeup
by OaktownPower on Oct 13, 2006 5:05 PM PDT 0 recs
Thanks, OP
by Blez on
Oct 13, 2006 5:13 PM PDT
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I am convinced that ...
by monkeyball on
Oct 13, 2006 5:34 PM PDT
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It is wild....
by OaktownPower on
Oct 13, 2006 5:41 PM PDT
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It looks bad right now,
Bring on the AL west champions of 2007.
by alox on Oct 13, 2006 5:05 PM PDT 0 recs
By the way
by Blez on Oct 13, 2006 5:08 PM PDT 0 recs
Hang on a minute...
OK we're ready--can we start Game 3 now?
by Nico on
Oct 13, 2006 5:13 PM PDT
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Scutaro's hit was a bad AB?
The A's seem incapable of making adjustments, and it has frustrated me for years. I don't understand how you take the same approach at-bat after at-bat when it isn't working. No adjustments whatsoever. Someone needs to remind Chavez there is a left field as well. I don't mind the lack of success when you're doing everything you can to be successful, but the stubborn adhearance to one approach is inexcusable from professional hitter, IMO.
by IndianaAsfan on
Oct 13, 2006 5:31 PM PDT
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Couldn't agree more, Blez,
The Jimenez whining is perplexing to me. The A's middle-infield, not by their own choosing is Scutaro and Jimenez.: A back-up and his back-up, starting, front and center. Put that out there for 162 games and you will not be in the playoffs, ever.
I feel I have only one legitimate whine and that is what I believe was a very poor selection for the ALCS rotation. People as wise and intelligent as the A's brass are should have seen the importance of getting Haren out there in the first three games over Loaiza and Harden, who--by no fault of their own--were simply not as likely to come up big.
But really, it wouldn't have mattered. The Tigers have simply been better at adjusting to the situation and doing what they need to do to win. Consider the hat tipped. But the white flag not yet waved. Not yet.
by Nico on Oct 13, 2006 5:10 PM PDT 0 recs
The lack of adjustments from the A's
by Blez on
Oct 13, 2006 5:12 PM PDT
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Me too, and I think it's the real key
You can't take months to figure it out and adjust when you're in a short series.
by Nico on
Oct 13, 2006 5:15 PM PDT
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What adjustments?
by mikeA on
Oct 13, 2006 6:05 PM PDT
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its called macha
by guy incognito on
Oct 13, 2006 7:05 PM PDT
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The irony being...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Oct 13, 2006 5:17 PM PDT
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The only flooring...
There's also the argument that Blanton should have started somewhere. (We're just looking for something resembling change)
by louismg on
Oct 13, 2006 5:25 PM PDT
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Right...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
Oct 13, 2006 5:42 PM PDT
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