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Two Thomas Bombs, But "Small Ball" Gets The Last Laugh

Tonight, you got two questions answered: Why the White Sox are reigning World Champions, and why the A's struggle to score runs. The last play of the game was a beautiful example of not waiting for offense to come to you. A lousy hitter surveying the field to see how he could best get a runner 90 feet farther and forcing the defense to do something. If Jason Kendall does the same thing against Armando Benitez, the A's have one more win to fall back on later in the season. Hopefully, someone in the A's organization is taking notes, because when the opposition puts on a clinic against you, at least you should learn something from it.

But the story tonight really was the A's injuries. In the 8th inning, Ken Macha went to Justin Duchscherer, but it was Steve Karsay and Karsay surrendered a homerun. Then Macha went to Joe Kennedy, but it was Randy Kiesler and Kiesler gave up a ringing double. So he turned it over to Calero in the 10th, but Calero had already been used in the 7th so it was Ron Flores. And don't forget about Mark Ellis. Ellis flags down Thome's single and the White Sox' first run never scores. He keeps Mackowiak's 10th inning single on the infield, Pierzynski stops at second, and a game-winning bunt is not an option. Injuries caught up to the A's in a big way today.

Finally, Macha did one thing tonight that really frustrated me, just as it did in the Angels' clinching win in 2004. That day, Octavio Dotel stayed in the bullpen as Macha elected not to ask him to get 5 outs. An Erstad double off Rincon and a tie game later, Macha put Dotel in--and asked him to get 5 outs. A closer either is, or isn't, available to get a certain number of outs. If Macha was willing to ask Huston Street to get 4 outs today, then Street should have been in to face Uribe. And if he had been, the A's likely would have won it in nine today.

Two awfully tough losses in the last three days. You can only absorb so many of those, as it's a long season--but not that long.

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Hmm
Yeah hopefully Machatron can learn something from this. BUNT is not a four letter word in baseball.

by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 8:32 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't know how
You can ask Thomas to bunt with one out and a man on third. The guy was crushing the ball all night until that pitiful AB.

by Bearcat on May 23, 2006 12:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

crosby?
crosby?

by mrlebowski79 on May 23, 2006 12:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

tomorrow is another game
but honestly, despite the injuries this was a tough loss. The A's could have won it.

by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 8:33 PM PDT   0 recs

The real tragedy of today...
...was it may have been the most fun day on AN yet.

I laughed all day...until the 10th.

Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:33 PM PDT   0 recs

i'm still overly cheerful
i havn't absorbed the fact that we lost. sometime tomorrow i will.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 8:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like
You're giving Huston a pass. Now, I didn't watch the game, but it looks like the guy blew it. You blame everyone else for blowing their opportunity, but not Street? I love him, too, but that homer was a killer.

It's too bad ... the story could have been "Big Frank gets revenge" ...

by Crosbino on May 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Street made one
bad pitch. It was the first one he threw. If he gives the HR up to Uribe, we win 4-3. If he gets Uribe (who doesn't matchup well against Street), we win. Yes, Street threw a bad pitch and I'm concerned that his velocity still isn't great, but there were so many reasons outside of Street that this one didn't go in the win column. And another--which I didn't mention--was Zito's 6BBs, which drove up his pitch count. If he goes 7, Calero has the 8th, Street the 9th. A's win.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But on the other hand
we're limited by the few trustworthy guys we have in the bullpen. So soon after he's missed time wiht an injury and a lowered velocity, I think Macha may be right in trying to get as many outs from the rest of the bullpen. It's difficult for me to make excuses for Huston in this situation. The best closers in baseball lose games sometimes, and he lost this one.

by nycfan on May 22, 2006 8:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no problem with that,
but then let Kiesler (or whoever) try to finish the 8th and hope you're still ahead. But don't put Street in to get 4 outs anyway, just in a worse position.

What bugged me about Dotel's appearance was that he was batting arm problems and I thought it was fine that Macha went to Rincon and not Dotel in the 8th. But then with no more outs, he put Dotel in and left him in for 5 outs.

It's the inconsistency that bothers me. If you're willing to put Street in for 4 outs, then put him in with no one on base. Don't be greedy trying to avoid putting him in and then put him in anyway when there aren't any more outs, just less margin for error. And Mackowiak was a good matchup for CWS, but Uribe was a great matchup for Street.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

totally agree
it seems as this club has no plan whatsoever at times...they are just playing moment to moment, and not in the good way.
tdwclark

by tdwclark on May 23, 2006 4:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A closer with an ERA of 5.00 is a problem
His velocity is down --and isn't getting the swing thrus he was getting last year.

I am also pretty sure he wasn't ready - Macha forced him in without enough warm up. I would have let it ride with Karsay.

by Carerra on May 23, 2006 7:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thank god i'm tivo'ing the "24" finale
it will keep my mind of this painful loss.

by gotgreen on May 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Duke isn't going to start throwing until
later this week.

link (scroll down)

This is all very depressing. At least Ellis will likely be back tomorrow.

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT   0 recs

<throws IBB and Marco! Scutaro!>
That's it.
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Zito's pitch count
Worried me again, if he goes 7 Calero comes in in the 8th and Street closes but the what if's of baseball seldom ever work.
"Just throw strikes. I don't understand why that can't happen. You have a three-run lead. Just throw strikes."- Josh Lyman

by doublehustle22 on May 22, 2006 8:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Exactly,
and exactly.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so you're
going to pin this on him? That's crazy. Six innings isn't the same as seven by any stretch but he did a good job and deserved the win. It may have only been one bad pitch from street but it's reasonable to expect him to get outs.

by AinOz on May 22, 2006 9:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As a #1, Zito should be going deeper into games.
Walking 6 batters and going 3-2 on most others, isn't going to work.

by DeeWayne on May 22, 2006 9:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right, he should go deeper
but he's not going to every time, and a ball club should be able to handle a few innings. I know that our 'pen is chewed up right now so we can't attack them but we can't blame Zito for this one either.

by AinOz on May 22, 2006 9:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

with less than stellar control
Zito still pitched six innings and left ahead 4-1.

This loss is not his fault

by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Small Ball
The A's seem to feel like they can just wait for a walk and eventually Giambi will hit the ball over the fence.  Only problem is ...  

Man, it's infuriating to watch this club sometimes.  If they would just scratch out a run here and there, but they refuse to do it.  Earth to Macha:  when you're ahead by 3 runs, you don't need a 3-run inning.  Just one more run makes a huge difference.    Also obviously so painful to watch this club "hit" with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs.  Isn't that why they got rid of Hatty and fired their batting coach?  Big Frank had a terrific game, but how many check swing called strikes is he going to put up this year?  Hey, when's there are two strikes, be careful, but when the winning run is at third and there are less than two outs and only one strike, either swing or don't.  

As for Crosby, called strike one, called strike two, called strike three.  Wow!

by solotar on May 22, 2006 8:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Mmmhmm
Listen to this guy.

by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For the record....
I pick on Crosby as much as anyone, but I saw those three strikes. No WAY Crosby makes contact with ANY of them.

FILTHY pitches.

Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's a great point
about how big one more run is when you're up 2 or 3. As for Thomas/Crosby, Jenks was flat out nasty those two ABs. I actually thought Thomas battled well just to avoid the K. Croz really had no chance.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's the long and short of it:
Huston blew it.

He served up a complete gopher pitch. That's it. As much as our bullpen has been completely ravaged by injuries, when you hand it over to your closer with 2 outs in the eighth, a two run lead, and a pinch hitter who had yet to hit a HR that closer better freaking nail it down.

We were in a position to nail that game down, and Huston couldn't do it. It happens to the best of them. But the moment he blew it, you had to think we were going to lose. The AAA A's bullpen is no match for the ChiSox bullpen.

More than anyone else, WE MISS YOU DUKE. And Ellis and his awesome defensive range at second.

EFFFFF.

by nycfan on May 22, 2006 8:39 PM PDT   0 recs

a note of levity from Mychael Urban
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060522&content_id=1466522& ;vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

".. The Yankees on Monday recalled former A's outfielder Terrence Long from Triple-A Columbus and signed former A's designated hitter Erubiel Durazo to a Minor League deal. Durazo will be assigned to Columbus, where he'll join former A's first baseman Carlos Pena. Eric Karros, Billy McMillon, Chris Singleton, Eric Hiljus and Ariel Prieto are still retired."

Thanks, Mychael. It put a smile back on my face after the downer of tonight's game's end

by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Injuries
The injuries, especially to the bullpen is what lost this game. Macha's hands are tied. What is he suppossed to do? I mean we have guys like Keisler and Flores out there.

I know good teams play through injuries, but even the GREAT Chicago White Sox would have a tough time if their pitching staff was so beat up. I know that is hard for some to believe but it is true.

That bunt play was good, but that play never happens if the A's have a healthy Kennedy and Duke. I sure hope the players on the A's have more postive thoughts than I read here.

by RudiFan on May 22, 2006 8:42 PM PDT   0 recs

You can't just throw up your hands
and go "well, we're beat up, nothing we can do." The fact of the matter is that this is PRECISELY when you need the great managing to come out - when you have to guide your team with limited resources. Unfortunately, it seems that Macha has rarely shown that kind of vision.

Then again, there's not much you CAN do when you bring in your closer when you need him the most and he can't deliver.

Sigh. Losing sucks.

by nycfan on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorrry....
But I am not "throwing my hands up". I am just stating a fact. I love all the managerial experts in this forum. If the A's win this game they would be lauding how Macha handled the bullpen tonight.

by RudiFan on May 22, 2006 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think by and large,
people are being pretty reasonable, considering it's been 15 minutes since the A's absorbed their second crushing loss in three days.

Remember, there are fans, not analysts, on AN.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know that Nico
It just bugs me that Macha always seems to get blamed for every loss. I don't believe he is a great manager myself, but find me a manager that wins consistently with a injury riddled pitching staff.

I guess in the big overall picture the A's are still only one game back of Texas. If the can hang around until they get healthy then I see no reason why they don't win the West.

by RudiFan on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just realized the A's are going to Texas after
this series.

<thud>

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Where we're going to take first place away!
Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

<looks around>
What?
Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take two of whatever you're having.
Injuries suck ass.
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just now?
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, just now.
I mean, I might have heard before, but it just registered.

Holy. Crap.

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The pitchers are going to die.
DIE.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i thought they were all dead anyway
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What are they doing now?
<sob>
"...It was a bad word."

by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The new pitchers.
The old ones are gone. Say goodbye.

Actually, the ground is going to open up and swallow the entire team.

If the A's are lucky, Scutaro will escape.

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you know why Scoot will escape?
Because he's clutch. He will use his clutchiness to escape HELL.

by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course, Ellis will need a hand...
...but Scoot will just shove him in the hole.

Hey. <shrugs> You gotta do what you gotta do.

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

<kicks bad shoulder>
<falls back to hell>

Clutch this, MaEl!

by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

<Puts on helmet>
I feel sorry for our bullpen.  :(
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was (un)lucky enough to
listen to the final 3 innings.... and...
that sucked.  I'm out of things to throw.  <Throws self>
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT   0 recs

It's YOUR fault!
bAnNeD!
Zito is so dreamy, but Chavvy would probably treat you better. ~Natto (McCovey Chron)

by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate myself too.
<Sobs>
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing about Huston:
<barf>
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't know if someone brought this
up in the game thread, but Korach did on the radio.  Talk about highs and lows in baseball.  That was the case with Huston K'ing Bonds and giving up the HR on consecutive pitches.  EEK.

Baseball is a weird game.

"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's been like that for Huston all season, right?
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tonight was
Exhibit A of why this team is so frustrating and why I have learned that it just isn't worth it to get all bent during the ups and downs of a 162 game schedule.  However, when you bolt work early to get home to see this one and spend the next 3 hours feeling confident and all hell breaks loose, well, you're bent.  

The A's get well against the M's, win a thriller on Friday night, have Halsey hang in there against Schmidt, blow a couple of chances to win on Saturday and get blanked yesterday.  So they go to Chicago, the reigning champs who didn't want any part of the A's in last year's post-season.  FT has a glorious return, Guillen gets tossed, the best available starter is cruising but still can't keep that pitch count down, the closer comes in after seemingly being back in form, promptly gives up a tying home-run, more chances and a failure to make the return more glorious by FT after Employee #3 wisely got his ass down to second.  That was the game right there, we all knew it.  Now the White Sox have the momentum and may have turned the corner around them pesky A's.  Hopefully in 48 hours the A's will have taken the series and this will be a short-lived stick in the eye.

by southofcruiseamerica on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT   0 recs

I'll give the A's this:
Kendall's (rather perplexing, actually) attempted steal, and Chavy's alert avoid-the-DP running, along with Kotsay's heads-up dash to 3B, were along the lines of trying to create, rather than sit back. And with Thomas and Croz, obviously you're just going to let them hit, and hope--and Jenks made the pitches.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with you Tina,
Chavez made up for not being down there when Kotsay went to 3rd, but on the replay Kotsay did go back to second briefly and that could have prevented Chavez from going. He did make up for it though. I'm not questioning effort or strategy, just airing big picture fan frustration. It's still not as bad as Dotel last spring at Fenway though.

This series won't mean squat down the road -  just when they're up 3 in the 8th on the road against the defending champs in the first game and blow it the negative implications creep out.  

by southofcruiseamerica on May 22, 2006 9:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do we even know if DJ is okay?
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:58 PM PDT   0 recs

it was telling to see how he slunk
out of the batters' box after striking out. He looked really, really down -- not just miffed at a bad at bat -- really all around down.

by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm
That's cause he knows he is on his way to Sacramento lol

by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you think that's why Kielty was pinch hitting?
I don't think I can handle another injury.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes and no
Yes, I think DJ was simply pinch-hit for because a lefty was in and Kielty would have batted righty if the pitching change wasn't made.

No, DJ is not ok in that his swing is slow and his average is awful.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, Nico.
I didn't even notice the pitching change for some reason.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When DJ was due up,
Thornton was still the pitcher in the game (from the previous inning). When Kielty was announced, Guillen's ghost went to the mound and called for Jenks.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol
At this point, it's impossible for me to tell you who did what and when. It's just a blur.

I remember Huston, though.

"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's hurt?!!!!
I thought Keilty was just PHing for him.  I didn't know he got hurt!
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm hurting too, but not physically.
:(
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

my brain hurts
too much freakishness in one day.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Feel better, Jay!
Sorry, couldn't resist.  ;)

I just caught up with the other threads... Hehe.

"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you just found out about this? where have you been
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Class and work.
"If there's both baseball gods and baseball devils, I sometimes wonder if they all look like Barry Zito..." ~ Kyli (4/26/06)

by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

unlike other people here
hey, schools out for me.
I own too many darn shoes!

by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know that he's hurt.
But I was worried that he might be...you know, with the way things have been.
"...when Mark Kotsay calls you off, you better get out of the way, because if you don't, he'll run you over." -- Swish

by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rumor-mongering bitch!
Sorry, I was talking to Cindi, not you.

Hang on, I've got to stop an IM she's about to send.

by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It was an awesome game
until the bullpen came in.

And I can't even fault them, given how shady the injury situation has been.

This sucks.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli<