A Long Post for One Simple Question
Last season, about this time, the A's went into New York and got swept in a three-game, heartwrenching series against the Yankees. The losses came in large part because of a nuclear bullpen. Seriously, I almost expected to see the three-eyed fish from The Simpsons sitting behind homeplate whenever the A's bullpen door swung open.
But it happened repeatedly until finally, Billy Beane had all he could stand and he can'ts stands no more. He popped some spinach, got on the phone with Baird and Hunsicker and worked out a deal for Don't Ask, Do-tel. Not all the A's problems were solved obviously because the A's still missed the playoffs, but the team suddenly became a contender again.
Ironically, Cleveland was having the same problem with their pen. Again, it's 2004 all over again, but this time it's the miserable offense that appears to be the weak link. Cleveland is having the same problem with their offense as well. I'm thinking Shapiro and Beane need to stop spending the offseason passing around Greg Brady's tiki idol.
Any way, theories abound about the A's nuclear offense (this time the three-eyed fish is in the A's on-deck circle). Mr. Hitting.com should be fired. Macha should be fired. The A's need new bats. The A's need a whole bunch of players to go with those bats. Thomas needs to go to Sacramento. Chavez should be caned, tarred, feathered and then given a wedgie. I want to know what you think the solution to the hitting woes are. What is going to awaken these bats from their seemingly eternal slumber?
Just remember, most of last season, AN was calling for Curt Young's head on a stick. And Beane and company were patient with the A's much-maligned hitting coach, which seems like the right move now with most of the kids pitching very well right now.
But many hitting and pitching coaches get too much credit when things are going well and blame when things are going bad. Although a shakeup in the coaching ranks can sometimes spark a team.
I'm not sure what the answer is. I honestly think this team is severely lacking from a slugging percentage deficiency as I wrote yesterday. Take for example that inning today against the Yankees when the A's loaded the bases with no one out. Had any one of those hits been an extra-base hit, they would've scored at least one, possibly several runs. But instead, you have hit, walk, hit and because of one of the base runners being cautious, it didn't score a run. If that third hit is a double in the gap, the A's score two. Course if the first hit was a double, they still might not have scored. But that to me is the biggest problem with this lineup right now. Even when people like Chavez actually get a hit, it's a single. So, my personal opinion is this team needs to add some slugging percentage.
Here's another person the A's should pursue, if they can:
Mike Sweeney. Yes, he's an injury risk, but the Royals are essentially rebuilding (again) and Sweeney shouldn't need to toil in obscurity for forever. It would mean a salary hit and Lew Wolff would need to approve of something like this. But, get Sweeney to bat in the number three hole in the lineup and then you have this:
Kendall
Kotsay
Sweeney
Chavez
Kielty
Hatteberg
Ginter (or Crosby when healthy)
Thomas (or Swisher when healthy)
Scutaro
To me, adding someone with a .628 slugging percentage in 2005 and a .377 OBP for his career is exactly what this offense needs. He's a true number three hitter. Chavez then slides down a spot, and becomes someone who can grip and rip without having to be "The Man."
I don't know what Baird would ask for to complete a deal like this. Maybe a Durazo and/or Dan Johnson with Eric Byrnes or Rheinecker. The Royals have a lot of holes right now and they're looking toward the future. Sweeney is 32 years old, so it goes against the common belief of the A's building towards 2006. But the truth is that this team could possibly compete this year. The AL West is not as strong as it's been in years past.
But that's just one man's opinion. Maybe I'm just speaking from my heart. But this team has won 14 games with little to no offense. You add a stick like Sweeney and you're bringing someone who is a leader and can perform with RISP (his batting average in those situations is .419 and his OPS is 1.154 - he's the bizarro-Athletic with RISP).
I want to know what AN thinks. Click on entry link below to vote.
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Gee... Sweeney?
by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:15 PM PDT 0 recs
hey
by ucla kid on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT 0 recs
oh...
by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT 0 recs
Haha...Hes prob the only manager worse.
by OaktownPower on
May 8, 2005 11:21 PM PDT
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Sweeney....
by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:22 PM PDT 0 recs
missing some time isn't such a bad thing...
by FoolshGame22 on
May 8, 2005 11:41 PM PDT
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Never thought I'd say this, but....
I'm just concerned that we sacrifice too much of our future by doing a short fix now. By shaking up the troops via a Macha dismissal, you accomplish much of the same at a lower cost.
Unless we have a real shot of making the playoffs, of course. Right now, it's just hard to see that.
by Rob on May 8, 2005 11:46 PM PDT 0 recs
not sure what the answer is...
I also agree that we can be competitive this year for the West. The division is a bit off, and we have many of the ingredients required for winning. Many pundits said we would stink this year because of the departure of Hudson and Mulder. But this isn't even close. The pitching is doing fine. As we all have painfully seen, we can't hit. This is the most anemic A's lineup I can remember seeing in a long time. Billy needs to get us a bat or two and we will all be looking at a very competitive run for the division.
I have reservations about Sweeney given the injury risks. I don't think I could handle a DL. I don't have an answer for how we might solve this problem. I am sure Beane is working away on this problem (I trust). Although this year is something of a rebuilding one, I can't see him throwing in the towel on this season. He is too much of a competitor.
by island of misfit toys on May 8, 2005 11:48 PM PDT 0 recs
FIRE MACHA
by UCD Stomper on May 8, 2005 11:50 PM PDT 0 recs
Thanks to Blez.
I hate to be sarcastic, but this place is already overrun w/ this kind of talk. It's getting to the point where I will avoid AN on days after losses.
by Inquisitor on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm not saying something needs to be done
Ouch.
That's why there is an option to do nothing.
by Blez on
May 9, 2005 7:09 AM PDT
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I don't think it would take so much
As for the Indians, well thats an interesting one. The thing is, their offense is one of the worst right now as well. Who could we get that they would give us for Dotel? Ben Broussard and Ronny Belliard? I don't think they have anyone we reallly want, and Hafner is a lefty.
by ohad on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT 0 recs
Byrnes and Johnson won't do it...
by FoolshGame22 on
May 9, 2005 12:05 AM PDT
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KC
No one in their right mind would want Eric Byrnes on their 40-Man Roster.
by Colorado Fan on
May 9, 2005 9:28 AM PDT
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Oh, hell yeah!
Our lineup would look like this:
- CF M. Kotsay
- C J. Kendall
- 1B M. Sweeney
- 3B D. Wright
- LF M. Cameron
- DH K. Ginter/Hatty (platoon of plyrs - assuming Durazo is packaged in a deal w/ DJ + a minor leager to KC)
- RF B. Keilty or (N. Swisher)
- SS M. Scutaro or (B. Crosby)
- 2B M. Ellis
by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 12:02 AM PDT 0 recs
That's a downright pathetic
by devo on
May 9, 2005 11:43 AM PDT
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Put your coaches cap on.
by sf drift king on
May 9, 2005 6:00 PM PDT
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What about Austin?
by limecat on May 9, 2005 12:08 AM PDT 0 recs
Not a change of heart,
by Blez on
May 9, 2005 7:06 AM PDT
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i don't think hitting coaches matter that much
so hudgens is endorsed by giambi, tejada, chavez, and byrnes, that's a .250 average which isn't good enough.
if that doesn't shake things up enough, fire macha in another two weeks. i don't even dislike macha, but changes must be made...
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:16 AM PDT 0 recs
a's 12 step program
1 move chavez down in the lineup
2 fire hudgens
3 bring someone up from sacto
4 hire a motivational speaker
5 put ginter at third base
6 trade for sweeney or huff (not kearns or sanders, please)
7 some sort of public ridicule/humiliation
8 hire a hypnotherapist for chavez to convince him he doesn't suck
9 get those new contact lenses brian roberts is wearing, force every hitter to wear them
10 fire macha
11 break chavez's hand, it worked last year.
12 clubhouse rampage
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:27 AM PDT 0 recs
i would go with
by OaklandSi on
May 9, 2005 4:24 AM PDT
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More Melhuse
by kkdaz on
May 9, 2005 8:36 AM PDT
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why melhuse ????
by bigelephant on
May 9, 2005 8:55 AM PDT
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Melhuse needs to play more because ...
by iceplant on
May 9, 2005 9:35 AM PDT
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'Huse yo daddy?
I also vote for a mixup in the coaching staff and some shuffling of players to and from AAA. I can't believe we're not even doing that at this point. After we test that, then pursue some trades and get rid of guys whose value is high. Personally, I don't think Dotel is worth what everybody else in the league thinks he's worth. His ERA would be over 5 if you charged him with all the runs he lets in (instead the mid-relievers get dinged every time he comes in the game). Look at those BB/IP!!! Horrible.
by TonyArmas on
May 10, 2005 10:15 AM PDT
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What happened to YOUTH?
Although I have not given up on this season at all, I believe that any move that is made should be made looking to the future and the strength of the A's when Crosby, Haren, Swisher, Blanton, and Meyer have all had a couple more years under their belts.
We should look for power now, but young power that we can hold on to for some time and have grow with the team.
by Josh on May 9, 2005 12:31 AM PDT 0 recs
OK, I like Sweeney a lot...
So, if all that can be worked out, Sweeney would be a great addition. We could bat him DH more than playing him at 1st to ease the stress put on his back, and maybe help him stay more or less injury free. We wouldn't be selling away the future as Durazo and Byrnes wont be back next year anyways, DJ will only be around until Barton makes his way up, and we have plenty of young outfielders and pitchers that giving up one wont hurt.
It would take a genius Billy Beane move to get all this accomplished, and possibly another team to get enough pieces together to make the package enticing to KC, but it could work!
I'm up for anythign that will help the A's offense come around so we can compete. And I like Sweeney better than anyone else mentioned to date (cept maybe Huff)
by ZeroIndulgence on May 9, 2005 1:03 AM PDT 0 recs
Sweeney
by FuriousB on
May 9, 2005 1:48 PM PDT
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Sweeny sounds good.
I've always had the impression that Sweeny has been tough on the A's (the stats folks will share the reality with us I hope). And I'm a firm believer in getting the folks who can cause you trouble over to your side.
Add this to the fact that he is a solid hitter and a trade for him would send a serious signal to the players and fans... I'm all for it!
by NomAd on May 9, 2005 1:04 AM PDT 0 recs
Sweeney under the right conditions
But I agree, shop for an older player and give him a 1/2 a year (under the premise that we don't have enough trade bait to get a rising star). I don't like the way we're losing and even if there's a chance we can turn it around, there is also a risk that if we go in the dumper this season, our guys will lose that winning edge that we've built up over the past 5 years and we'll go into "rebuilding mode" where wins are no longer required in the near future. NO. We actually still have a very solid nucleus. They're all cold as ice, that's all. We're playing like crap and we're only 4 games under .500. That's actually the sign of a pretty good team!
Let's make some shake-ups and add a bat (not an OBP). A pure hitter with a little pop.
I'm also thinking it's time to consider bringing up a potential starting pitcher from the minors.
by TonyArmas on
May 10, 2005 10:27 AM PDT
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Hire...
by timed exposure on May 9, 2005 1:08 AM PDT 0 recs
Nice...
by secret ASian man on
May 9, 2005 1:20 AM PDT
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It makes me smile...
by secret ASian man on
May 9, 2005 2:00 AM PDT
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That's Capital "D" Drama
Picture Bowa as manager and Joe Morgan doing the game. Morgan would be spewing his guts out with praise and admiration... 'nuff said.
by NomAd on
May 9, 2005 2:56 AM PDT
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Just say 'No' to Larry !!
remember 'track record' is very important to BB !!
Larry Bowa is also Billy Martin without the drink in hand either !!
Larry is a 'top-stepper' as a manager. those guys wear out their welcome and effectiveness very soon.
Macha's not the problem, but he is the obvious scapegoat. it comes with the job description.
by HerbWashington on
May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT
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While Larry Bowa would be fun to watch
Just my two wheat pennies
by noava22 on
May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT
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No easy solutions
We can't slug. We can't play small ball.
Sweeney isn't the answer. He's on the downside of his career and is injury-prone. And he would only make sense if the A's are in the race this season. At this point, even though the division is weak, I'm not persuaded that we're a contender.
And then there is the matter of Calero. I don't know if he's still hurt, or if the loss of his best pitch has turned him into a very hittable pitcher. But suddenly, our bullpen is looking mighty vulnerable. Our two prize relief acquisitions, Cruz and Calero, can't be used if the game is close. I don't know if Calero needs surgery, time to get his stuff back, or whether he's just damaged goods. But this remains an alarming development.
As for the hitting, we are probably reaching a point where a change needs to be made, simply for the sake of doing something. But I don't know what would help.
by bear88 on May 9, 2005 2:06 AM PDT 0 recs
Downside of his career?
by Blez on
May 9, 2005 7:03 AM PDT
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Downside
Sweeney is a terrific hitter who is off to a very good start. But he seems out of our price range and not worth a long-term investment even if Fisher/Wolff/Beane wanted to make it. I'm also not sure they will want to make such a short-term investment.
Would Sweeney improve our lineup this year? Absolutely. I just don't see it happening.
by bear88 on
May 9, 2005 9:50 AM PDT
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I agree with this assessment ...
- He stays healthy
- This A's team, even with Sweeney, is good enough to compete in this mediocre division this year.
by iceplant on
May 9, 2005 9:45 AM PDT
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That's exactly why I pick players and teams
We can't always pick and choose who we want. The situations have to also be right for the other team.
by Blez on
May 9, 2005 10:05 AM PDT
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Situational trades you're right Blez
It has to fit both teams. It's funny I found myself watching the Reds vs. Dodgers game last night on ESPN doing some scouting if you will. Same thing with the Giants vs. Nationals. Allthough, I really don't see what all the rummors were about with the Nationals GM talking to Billy. I didn't see any players in particular, right handed bats with power for a corner outfield spot on our team.
The Al West is still up for grabs. For all our problems we are not burried yet. Sept. schedule looks like a killer though. If we are to contend is this year of so callled rebuilding it will take some Billy magic.
And maybe......Macha finds his way to the door. I have never liked the way he uses the bullpen. Just my opinion, but when a reliever or maybe even a starter for that matter gets into trouble it seems to me he has hasn't even got any one up yet. I remember in the playoff agains't Boston when Barry came out to warm up in the 5th inning I believe he was pitching on three days rest and bounced two of his warm up throws to the plate before he even faced a batter that inning. I think he walked a batter gave up a hit and then the bomb to Manny. That's when Macha got someone up. I know has an ex catcher you don't want to waste a guy warming up in the bullpen and not bring him in. But, I don't see the harm in having one or two guys just soft tossing in the pen just to stay lose and turn it up if needed. This has always bothered me even with Art Howe.
I also would like to see Washington get his chance. I know from listening to Robert Baun that Macha has respect of many players on the team but he is to timid to me. He doesn't show much emotion on or off the field. I listen to extra innings almost daily after every game and the Macha post game interviews are almost painful to listen to. They are so routine. ".......good hit there in the ...inning acouple of big outs from...... or no clutch hits.....need to do a better job" I and the way he says it slow and drawn out. again lacking emotion in my opinion. I certainly would not miss that in the post game show or pregame for that matter if he were gone.
What about bringing Carney back has hitting coach or thirdbase coach ,or move him to first. If Washington is promoted. A hardnosed player who could hit. I have read somewhere he has coached his son in High School in Santa Clara I believe. It might be jump to the big leagues but, I bet he could do it if he wants to. What do you think fellow AN'ers
by Mike Heath on
May 9, 2005 1:20 PM PDT
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Cruz was a miracle worked by Leo Mazzone,
by noava22 on
May 9, 2005 10:00 AM PDT
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Why eliminate Durazo...
If Oakland must obtain power - which is debatable - why not think completely outside the box?...Cliff Floyd and Mike Piazza (while he's cold)! Of course Oakland would have to sacrifice a lot (and also need to clear salary significantly) in order to get what we 'need' in return. Think Kendall (who we all know is a two/three year rental anyway...come to think of it, isn't everybody a rental when you get right down to it?), Zito, and a certain very popular center fielder who I will take much grief from the rest of the AN for even suggesting that he be dealt for what 'needs' to a shake-up.
by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:36 AM PDT 0 recs
Keep Durazo
by OaklandSi on
May 9, 2005 4:26 AM PDT
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Agreed-don't dump Durazo
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on
May 9, 2005 6:44 AM PDT
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To Ohad,
by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:39 AM PDT 0 recs
Sweeney
Will Beane go this route? Probably not.
by sommers on May 9, 2005 5:21 AM PDT 0 recs
Patience is a hard thing to acquire-
I came to the conclusion that if this team really wants to compete in years to come- we have to sacrifice a little bit this year and accept the fact that we can't have a playoff team every year. We have to build on our young pitchers slowly and intelligently- and not trade away our future young talent for aging but perhaps more productive talent such as Sweeney.
Patience is hard to promote, especially if your team is playing pitifully- but we've got to keep our heads straight and not sell the farm.
by greenmachine on May 9, 2005 5:24 AM PDT 0 recs
Unfortunately,
Byrnes will soon be gone .. thank goodness, man, he's bad. Just bad all around.
Chavez .... well, he's got to look himself in the mirror everyday knowing he's stealing money. If he can live with it, so can I.
It will be 2006 before you know it ... it's a shame though too, because Macha will probably be fired, and the players will be to blame. Maybe Wash will get his chance after all.
by Vacafan on
May 9, 2005 5:53 AM PDT
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I agree...
I would like to see Dan Johnson get called up. Can anyone explain why he isn't get a shot? I'm sure there's a good reason...I HOPE there's a good reason.
by keNbO on
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hmmm....
Looking at Sweeney's numbers over the past few years, and because of injuries, you pretty much
get Byrnes' 2004 season- 20 or so HRs, maybe 70-80 RBI. Of course Sweeney puts up these numbers in just 400 ABs, but if he can't stay healthy...
Also, i noticed he wears the captain's 'C' for the Royals. Does anyone know what the fans think of him there? Do they want him gone?
by easyrichboy on May 9, 2005 5:26 AM PDT 0 recs
sweeney NOT the answer, long/short term
injury-prone (chronic lower disc problems) to be taken seriously as a trade option.
IF BB does make a move it'ii be:
- firing hudgens (what, does this guy have compromising pix og billy or something?) and hope whomever he bring in will light a fire.
- trade for a cheap, short term contract who is an older player with a high RBI/HR history who can bat BEHIND chavy OR a cheap, not yet arbie eligible with a high-end future power bat potential.
a severe rut.
by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 6:01 AM PDT 0 recs
Make a move or wait for a July firesale
by boilerdan on May 9, 2005 6:03 AM PDT 0 recs
Feeling Very Patient Today
And calm. Very, very calm.
Because I've got a good feeling about this series in Boston.
No changes for me, thanks.
Just as long as I have my medicine.
by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 6:54 AM PDT 0 recs
Can I have some of that medicine too?
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on
May 9, 2005 7:07 AM PDT
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I wish
My heart can't take it anymore!
by AsGirl on
May 9, 2005 7:11 AM PDT
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Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go...
by LowcountryJoe on
May 9, 2005 7:49 AM PDT
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Last week, it was the Talking Heads....
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on
May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT
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Nothing at all
Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em, that I got no cerebellum.
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on
May 9, 2005 9:22 AM PDT
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They're both NY bands
by AlamedaAphid on
May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT
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No Worries, Gabba Gabba
At least I think so.
by Mission1929 on
May 9, 2005 9:26 AM PDT
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Glue a performance enchancing drug?
"I wanna sniff some glue, now I want something to do..."
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