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A Long Post for One Simple Question

Last season, about this time, the A's went into New York and got swept in a three-game, heartwrenching series against the Yankees.  The losses came in large part because of a nuclear bullpen.  Seriously, I almost expected to see the three-eyed fish from The Simpsons sitting behind homeplate whenever the A's bullpen door swung open.

But it happened repeatedly until finally, Billy Beane had all he could stand and he can'ts stands no more.  He popped some spinach, got on the phone with Baird and Hunsicker and worked out a deal for Don't Ask, Do-tel.  Not all the A's problems were solved obviously because the A's still missed the playoffs, but the team suddenly became a contender again.

Ironically, Cleveland was having the same problem with their pen.  Again, it's 2004 all over again, but this time it's the miserable offense that appears to be the weak link.  Cleveland is having the same problem with their offense as well.  I'm thinking Shapiro and Beane need to stop spending the offseason passing around Greg Brady's tiki idol.

Any way, theories abound about the A's nuclear offense (this time the three-eyed fish is in the A's on-deck circle).  Mr. Hitting.com should be fired.  Macha should be fired.  The A's need new bats.  The A's need a whole bunch of players to go with those bats.  Thomas needs to go to Sacramento.  Chavez should be caned, tarred, feathered and then given a wedgie.  I want to know what you think the solution to the hitting woes are.  What is going to awaken these bats from their seemingly eternal slumber?

Just remember, most of last season, AN was calling for Curt Young's head on a stick.  And Beane and company were patient with the A's much-maligned hitting coach, which seems like the right move now with most of the kids pitching very well right now.

But many hitting and pitching coaches get too much credit when things are going well and blame when things are going bad.  Although a shakeup in the coaching ranks can sometimes spark a team.

I'm not sure what the answer is.  I honestly think this team is severely lacking from a slugging percentage deficiency as I wrote yesterday.  Take for example that inning today against the Yankees when the A's loaded the bases with no one out.  Had any one of those hits been an extra-base hit, they would've scored at least one, possibly several runs.  But instead, you have hit, walk, hit and because of one of the base runners being cautious, it didn't score a run.  If that third hit is a double in the gap, the A's score two.  Course if the first hit was a double, they still might not have scored.  But that to me is the biggest problem with this lineup right now.  Even when people like Chavez actually get a hit, it's a single.  So, my personal opinion is this team needs to add some slugging percentage.

Here's another person the A's should pursue, if they can:

Mike Sweeney.  Yes, he's an injury risk, but the Royals are essentially rebuilding (again) and Sweeney shouldn't need to toil in obscurity for forever.  It would mean a salary hit and Lew Wolff would need to approve of something like this.  But, get Sweeney to bat in the number three hole in the lineup and then you have this:

Kendall
Kotsay
Sweeney
Chavez
Kielty
Hatteberg
Ginter (or Crosby when healthy)
Thomas (or Swisher when healthy)
Scutaro

To me, adding someone with a .628 slugging percentage in 2005 and a .377 OBP for his career is exactly what this offense needs.  He's a true number three hitter.  Chavez then slides down a spot, and becomes someone who can grip and rip without having to be "The Man."

I don't know what Baird would ask for to complete a deal like this.  Maybe a Durazo and/or Dan Johnson with Eric Byrnes or Rheinecker.  The Royals have a lot of holes right now and they're looking toward the future.  Sweeney is 32 years old, so it goes against the common belief of the A's building towards 2006.  But the truth is that this team could possibly compete this year.  The AL West is not as strong as it's been in years past.

But that's just one man's opinion.  Maybe I'm just speaking from my heart.  But this team has won 14 games with little to no offense.  You add a stick like Sweeney and you're bringing someone who is a leader and can perform with RISP (his batting average in those situations is .419 and his OPS is 1.154 - he's the bizarro-Athletic with RISP).

I want to know what AN thinks.  Click on entry link below to vote.

Poll
What should happen to help awaken the A's limp bats?
Fire Dave Hudgens (Mr. Hitting.com)
8 votes
Fire Ken Macha
18 votes
Trade for a player or two
73 votes
Send several players to Sacto and give other kids a chance
34 votes
Move Chavez down in the lineup
17 votes
A clubhouse rampage by Beane, Kotsay or someone else
22 votes
All of the above
45 votes
None of the above, be patient and it will come around
26 votes

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Gee... Sweeney?
Pull the trigger!  I won't even say, I recommended it weeks ago.  Oh, okay, yes I will.  ;-)
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:15 PM PDT   0 recs

hey
anyone to help us out w/out selling the whole farm.

by ucla kid on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT   0 recs

oh...
and, can we trade Macha for Ozzie Guillen, too?
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT   0 recs

Haha...Hes prob the only manager worse.
The Sox are winning in spite of Ozzie.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sweeney....
The dude can rake but it is a certainty he will miss time at some point with that back.  He does every year....I would have to give up that much and get  aguy we know will miss time......If he stays healthy sure, but thats a gigantic, Colon-seized If.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:22 PM PDT   0 recs

missing some time isn't such a bad thing...
I'd like to see half the guys in our lineup miss some time right about now.
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Never thought I'd say this, but....
If Ken Macha's contract is unlikely to be renewed after this year anyway, then make him the sacrificial lamb now in order to shake up the team; particularly if his replacement comes from within the organization.

I'm just concerned that we sacrifice too much of our future by doing a short fix now.  By shaking up the troops via a Macha dismissal, you accomplish much of the same at a lower cost.

Unless we have a real shot of making the playoffs, of course.  Right now, it's just hard to see that.

by Rob on May 8, 2005 11:46 PM PDT   0 recs

not sure what the answer is...
but something should be done.  I know we need to take a long term perspective on things, but as Blez points out this team needs a hitter or two with a high slugging percentage.  This doesn't appear to be a problem that is going to work itself out in the long-term.  Although things may improve some, I just don't see the improvements in players that are far off the mark like Chavez being enough.  Once they come around, we will be closer to the run production our pitchers need but it still will not be sufficient.  

I also agree that we can be competitive this year for the West.  The division is a bit off, and we have many of the ingredients required for winning.  Many pundits said we would stink this year because of the departure of Hudson and Mulder.  But this isn't even close.  The pitching is doing fine.  As we all have painfully seen, we can't hit.  This is the most anemic A's lineup I can remember seeing in a long time.  Billy needs to get us a bat or two and we will all be looking at a very competitive run for the division.  

I have reservations about Sweeney given the injury risks.  I don't think I could handle a DL.  I don't have an answer for how we might solve this problem.  I am sure Beane is working away on this problem (I trust).  Although this year is something of a rebuilding one, I can't see him throwing in the towel on this season.  He is too much of a competitor.  

by island of misfit toys on May 8, 2005 11:48 PM PDT   0 recs

FIRE MACHA
And name Mr Ron Washington as the manager who will lead this new team for at least the next 5 years.

by UCD Stomper on May 8, 2005 11:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks to Blez.
For adding fuel to the fire.

I hate to be sarcastic, but this place is already overrun w/ this kind of talk.  It's getting to the point where I will avoid AN on days after losses.

by Inquisitor on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm not saying something needs to be done
I was just saying that past history indicates that Beane doesn't sit still during stretches like this.  Although I'm not quiet sure the A's ever experienced a stretch like this during Beane's tenure.  Six shutouts in the first 31 games.

Ouch.

That's why there is an option to do nothing.

by Blez on May 9, 2005 7:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think it would take so much
To get Sweeney. I think Byrnes and Dan Johnson would be enough. If he gets traded, it adds another 1.5 million. The guy is making a ton of money plus he's an injury risk. We wouldn't have to give up as much as we normally would for a guy of his calibur.

As for the Indians, well thats an interesting one. The thing is, their offense is one of the worst right now as well. Who could we get that they would give us for Dotel? Ben Broussard and Ronny Belliard? I don't think they have anyone we reallly want, and Hafner is a lefty.

Conventional wisdom says 15 is too young to be an executive of a major sports franchise. Galileo and Einstein weren't conventional. Neither am i.

by ohad on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT   0 recs

Byrnes and Johnson won't do it...
Kielty is a much better player.  KC's GM is going to, no doubt, insist on him as part of the deal, rather than a scrub like Byrnes.  C'mon, Ohad, get real.  No other GM is dumb enough to trade for a guy hitting .208.
"The sun was bad, but was it any worse than it's been the last 10,000 years? I'm gonna say no." -- Eric Byrnes

by FoolshGame22 on May 9, 2005 12:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

KC
Can get something for him now, or nothing for him later.  They'll probably want 2 prospects.  

No one in their right mind would want Eric Byrnes on their 40-Man Roster.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 9:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Broussard?
Is a left handed stick too, no?

by AlwaysSweatin on May 9, 2005 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, hell yeah!
If we can consumate my Mets trade in a previous thread, while adding a Mike Sweeney:

Our lineup would look like this:

  1. CF M. Kotsay
  2. C  J. Kendall
  3. 1B M. Sweeney
  4. 3B D. Wright
  5. LF M. Cameron
  6. DH K. Ginter/Hatty (platoon of plyrs - assuming Durazo is packaged in a deal w/ DJ + a minor leager to KC)
  7. RF B. Keilty or (N. Swisher)
  8. SS M. Scutaro or (B. Crosby)
  9. 2B M. Ellis
Vote Miggy to the All-star game. Make Jeter a has-been.

by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 12:02 AM PDT   0 recs

That's a downright pathetic
DH spot.
I just needed something new here, since the season had started ...

by devo on May 9, 2005 11:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Put your coaches cap on.
That lineup isn't set in stone. Since Sweeney has been known to be injury prone, I'd rather him DH and Hatteburg man 1B.
Vote Miggy to the All-star game. Make Jeter a has-been.

by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 6:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Austin?
I thought you were down with Austin Kearns, Blez. Why the change of heart?

by limecat on May 9, 2005 12:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Not a change of heart,
just a different player suggested to target.  I'm not saying Sweeney is the only answer.

by Blez on May 9, 2005 7:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't think hitting coaches matter that much
but i still voted for the "fire mr. hitting.com" option.  all 3% of us (okay, i think that's just me at the moment) were probably annoyed to see byrnes and chavez featured so prominently on the webpage.  

so hudgens is endorsed by giambi, tejada, chavez, and byrnes, that's a .250 average which isn't good enough.  

if that doesn't shake things up enough, fire macha in another two weeks.  i don't even dislike macha, but changes must be made...

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:16 AM PDT   0 recs

a's 12 step program
beane should take a series of escalating steps, perhaps one every week, until there are some results.

1 move chavez down in the lineup
2 fire hudgens
3 bring someone up from sacto
4 hire a motivational speaker
5 put ginter at third base
6 trade for sweeney or huff (not kearns or sanders, please)
7 some sort of public ridicule/humiliation
8 hire a hypnotherapist for chavez to convince him he doesn't suck
9 get those new contact lenses brian roberts is wearing, force every hitter to wear them
10 fire macha
11 break chavez's hand, it worked last year.
12 clubhouse rampage

by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:27 AM PDT   0 recs

i would go with
numbers 1,2,3,4 (or a stripper),5 (only once!), 6,8,10 (if he refuses to do what a manager should do, at least shuffle the lineup and move the two most glaring underperformers --chavez and Kendall -- down the lineup for a while. In fact, I would play Melhuse more; perhaps that will light a fire under Kendall, since he doesn't look like the fiery player I thought the A's were getting.)

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 4:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

More Melhuse
Shove all the "Kendall want to play every day" blather.  He's had his chance.  Now give Melhuse the same shot.  It's hard to imagine how he could be worse.  
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

why melhuse ????
if you look up his '03 numbers and compare them to '04, melhuse actually REGRESSED as a hitter last yr. more PT for melhuse only draws out his flaws as a player.
The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento" Committee is now taking new members. Membership is free.

by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 8:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Melhuse needs to play more because ...
Kendall can't seem to muscle the ball out of the infield, and his arm is worse than his hitting.  Melhuse may not be the next coming of Pudge, but Kendall is pitiful.  Melhuse is a power threat - I say play him for a week and put his bat in the middle of the order.  Put Ginter at 2B or in left field and move Chavy down to the 8-hole.  I doubt that lineup would score less than a shutout.

by iceplant on May 9, 2005 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

'Huse yo daddy?
You want slugging and this guy has a great HR/AB ratio. Tons of people "regress" from one year to the next. Bottom line, if you're going to base everything on prior years and not what your gut instinct tells you, your going to be banking on nothing but guys coming down from their peaks and the most overvalued guys at that. It's totally free to use Melhuse more and if nothing else it lights a fire under Kendall and maybe gets a solo shot or two.

I also vote for a mixup in the coaching staff and some shuffling of players to and from AAA. I can't believe we're not even doing that at this point. After we test that, then pursue some trades and get rid of guys whose value is high. Personally, I don't think Dotel is worth what everybody else in the league thinks he's worth. His ERA would be over 5 if you charged him with all the runs he lets in (instead the mid-relievers get dinged every time he comes in the game). Look at those BB/IP!!! Horrible.

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What happened to YOUTH?
I don't like it. Sweeney is older. He has the history of back problems. The moves that were made in the offseason were to get YOUNGER. A Sweeney deal would reverse that trend.

Although I have not given up on this season at all, I believe that any move that is made should be made looking to the future and the strength of the A's when Crosby, Haren, Swisher, Blanton, and Meyer have all had a couple more years under their belts.

We should look for power now, but young power that we can hold on to for some time and have grow with the team.

by Josh on May 9, 2005 12:31 AM PDT   0 recs

OK, I like Sweeney a lot...
but I'm not sure we need to add another 1B/DH.  If we're gonna trade for Sweeney, we need to package Durazo in with whoever else we give to KC (probably Byrnes, DJ, and one other good OF or P prospect).  If we do this, the salary hit won't be as bad (I'm not sure how much Sweeney is making, but clearing out Byrnes and Durazo would take nearly 7 mil out with them), and I know the A's are under budget right now, so they can take on a little extra salary.

So, if all that can be worked out, Sweeney would be a great addition.  We could bat him DH more than playing him at 1st to ease the stress put on his back, and maybe help him stay more or less injury free.  We wouldn't be selling away the future as Durazo and Byrnes wont be back next year anyways, DJ will only be around until Barton makes his way up, and we have plenty of young outfielders and pitchers that giving up one wont hurt.  

It would take a genius Billy Beane move to get all this accomplished, and possibly another team to get enough pieces together to make the package enticing to KC, but it could work!

I'm up for anythign that will help the A's offense come around so we can compete.  And I like Sweeney better than anyone else mentioned to date (cept maybe Huff)

A's fan for life!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on May 9, 2005 1:03 AM PDT   0 recs

Sweeney
He makes 12.5 million a year if he is traded.  That is a lot of money for a player that has such a history of injury.  Also, the Royals do not need another 1B as they are grooming Justin Huber to take over at that position very soon.  The problem the Royals are looking to fix is a power hitting corner OF so that is what they would want in return for Sweeney.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley

by FuriousB on May 9, 2005 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sweeny sounds good.
Certainly the team needs the proverbial Wake Up call.  Something.  But not "anything" - that reeks of desperation and it's not Billy's or the A's style.

I've always had the impression that Sweeny has been tough on the A's (the stats folks will share the reality with us I hope).  And I'm a firm believer in getting the folks who can cause you trouble over to your side.

Add this to the fact that he is a solid hitter and a trade for him would send a serious signal to the players and fans... I'm all for it!

"Holy Manama!" ~Bahrain, 5,000+ miles east of Toledo :-)~

by NomAd on May 9, 2005 1:04 AM PDT   0 recs

Sweeney under the right conditions
I agree with this post. I'd trade for Sweeney but only in a win-win scenario. We clear out over-valued guys and their over-valued salaries. Although frankly, I'm not sure of the market value of any A's player right now (aside from Kotsay and Harden). I don't think many teams have a very strong desire for anybody we have and so finding the right scenario would take a ton of work. My bet is it most likely includes highly touted prospects (and none of our prospects are lighting it up either).

But I agree, shop for an older player and give him a 1/2 a year (under the premise that we don't have enough trade bait to get a rising star). I don't like the way we're losing and even if there's a chance we can turn it around, there is also a risk that if we go in the dumper this season, our guys will lose that winning edge that we've built up over the past 5 years and we'll go into "rebuilding mode" where wins are no longer required in the near future. NO. We actually still have a very solid nucleus. They're all cold as ice, that's all. We're playing like crap and we're only 4 games under .500. That's actually the sign of a pretty good team!

Let's make some shake-ups and add a bat (not an OBP). A pure hitter with a little pop.

I'm also thinking it's time to consider bringing up a potential starting pitcher from the minors.

by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hire...
Larry Bowa.  He's a local (Sacto anyway).  And he'd light a fire under these guys like nothing else.  

by timed exposure on May 9, 2005 1:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Nice...
"First of all, I'm not calm about it. Every time they lose, I freak out." - Andy Painter

by secret ASian man on May 9, 2005 1:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Best Idea yet...

by FireballerHARDEN on May 9, 2005 1:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It makes me smile...
...to imagine of all the drama that would unfold if Bowa was hired as A's Manager.
"First of all, I'm not calm about it. Every time they lose, I freak out." - Andy Painter

by secret ASian man on May 9, 2005 2:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's Capital "D" Drama
Yes, Bowa would bring big-time Drama.  Not much else  - like more victories - but Lot's of Drama!!!  And most of it about, guess who?, Larry Bowa.

Picture Bowa as manager and Joe Morgan doing the game. Morgan would be spewing his guts out with praise and admiration... 'nuff said.

"Holy Manama!" ~Bahrain, 5,000+ miles east of Toledo :-)~

by NomAd on May 9, 2005 2:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just say 'No' to Larry !!
... Larry is Billy Martin without the track record !!

remember 'track record' is very important to BB !!

Larry Bowa is also Billy Martin without the drink in hand either !!

Larry is a 'top-stepper' as a manager. those guys wear out their welcome and effectiveness very soon.

Macha's not the problem, but he is the obvious scapegoat. it comes with the job description.

by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While Larry Bowa would be fun to watch
(and I suggested him yesterday), canning Macha and promoting Wash to manager would be AMAZING.  People love and respect him for his baseball mind, the entire team holds him in incredible regard, and he could light a fire under their asses.  As much as Art Howe was maligned, the old boy knew how to kindle and spark the team, and I've missed him throughout the Macha era.  I thought this last year, and I'll say it again: The A's need a leader that can spark the whole team.  Kotsay tries to lead by example but that's not working with this team.  Kendall isn't fiery cuz he's still making a switch to the team.  BY GOD, BRING BACK RICKEY!  He'd light a fire under these guys' asses like no one's business...even if we brought Rickey back to replace Hudgens, I don't care, it's a great marketing ploy, and him and Wash running the team would be real fun to watch.

Just my two wheat pennies

by noava22 on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No easy solutions
The A's have two power threats in their lineup - Chavez (who's not hitting for power) and Durazo (who should be hitting cleanup instead of Hatteberg).  That's it.  

We can't slug.  We can't play small ball.

Sweeney isn't the answer.  He's on the downside of his career and is injury-prone.  And he would only make sense if the A's are in the race this season.  At this point, even though the division is weak, I'm not persuaded that we're a contender.

And then there is the matter of Calero.  I don't know if he's still hurt, or if the loss of his best pitch has turned him into a very hittable pitcher.  But suddenly, our bullpen is looking mighty vulnerable.  Our two prize relief acquisitions, Cruz and Calero, can't be used if the game is close.  I don't know if Calero needs surgery, time to get his stuff back, or whether he's just damaged goods.  But this remains an alarming development.

As for the hitting, we are probably reaching a point where a change needs to be made, simply for the sake of doing something.  But I don't know what would help.    

by bear88 on May 9, 2005 2:06 AM PDT   0 recs

Downside of his career?
Have you looked at his stats this year?

by Blez on May 9, 2005 7:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Downside
I'm going by age and injury history.  He's got a bad back, will turn 32 in July, and is really expensive.

Sweeney is a terrific hitter who is off to a very good start.  But he seems out of our price range and not worth a long-term investment even if Fisher/Wolff/Beane wanted to make it.  I'm also not sure they will want to make such a short-term investment.

Would Sweeney improve our lineup this year?  Absolutely.  I just don't see it happening.

by bear88 on May 9, 2005 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with this assessment ...
It may just be that we got Dan Haren and a whole bunch of crap for Hudson and Mulder.  Sweeney is very good, but very expensive.  He's hitting now, and the guy rakes when healthy, but I don't think he's the risk we should take right now.  The risk is twofold:
  1.  He stays healthy
  2.  This A's team, even with Sweeney, is good enough to compete in this mediocre division this year.
I wouldn't bet on either.  I think we need a long-term acquisition that might help now if we get lucky.  I think Xavier Nady would be a great acquisition, but I just can't imagine what we would have to give.  I do think, however, that Sweeney might come cheaper than some think only because KC probably wants to liberate themselves from that salary.

by iceplant on May 9, 2005 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's exactly why I pick players and teams
that's why Kearns and Pena and Sweeney are my suggestions.  Both the Royals and Reds need help.  The A's need help.  The Royals would probably love to rid themselves of Sweeney's salary.  The Reds have too many outfielders.

We can't always pick and choose who we want.  The situations have to also be right for the other team.

by Blez on May 9, 2005 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Situational trades you're right Blez
You are correct Blez.

It has to fit both teams.  It's funny I found myself watching the Reds vs. Dodgers game last night on ESPN doing some scouting if you will.  Same thing with the Giants vs. Nationals.  Allthough, I really don't see what all the rummors were about with the Nationals GM talking to Billy.  I didn't see any players in particular, right handed bats with power for a corner outfield spot on our team.

The Al West is still up for grabs.  For all our problems we are not burried yet.  Sept. schedule looks like a killer though.  If we are to contend is this year of so callled rebuilding it will take some Billy magic.

And maybe......Macha finds his way to the door.  I have never liked the way he uses the bullpen.  Just my opinion, but when a reliever or maybe even a starter for that matter gets into trouble it seems to me he has hasn't even got any one up yet.  I remember in the playoff agains't Boston when Barry came out to warm up in the 5th inning I believe he was pitching on three days rest and bounced two of his warm up throws to the plate before he even faced a batter that inning.  I think he walked a batter gave up a hit and then the bomb to Manny.  That's when Macha got someone up.  I know has an ex catcher you don't want to waste a guy warming up in the bullpen and not bring him in.  But, I don't see the harm in having one or two guys just soft tossing in the pen just to stay lose and turn it up if needed.  This has always bothered me even with Art Howe.

I also would like to see Washington get his chance.  I know from listening to Robert Baun that Macha has respect of many players on the team but he is to timid to me.  He doesn't show much emotion on or off the field.  I listen to extra innings almost daily after every game and the Macha post game interviews are almost painful to listen to.  They are so routine.  ".......good hit there in the ...inning acouple of big outs from......  or no clutch hits.....need to do a better job"  I and the way he says it slow and drawn out.  again lacking emotion in my opinion.  I certainly would not miss that in the post game show or pregame for that matter if he were gone.

What about bringing Carney back has hitting coach or thirdbase coach ,or move him to first.  If Washington is promoted.  A hardnosed player who could hit.   I have read somewhere he has coached his son in High School in Santa Clara I believe.  It might be jump to the big leagues but, I bet he could do it if he wants to.  What do you think fellow AN'ers

by Mike Heath on May 9, 2005 1:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cruz was a miracle worked by Leo Mazzone,
and Calero is still great...but he can't throw his slider, which makes him nasty as all hell.  We should shelve Calero until he's 100% healthy, surgery or not (he's a huge investment), and give Maebus or someone some big league experience until frisbee Chad comes back.

by noava22 on May 9, 2005 10:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why eliminate Durazo...
 ...if he's one of the only ones in the lineup who's slugging?  This would only be a marginal total lineup improvement for nearly 6 million more dollars added.

If Oakland must obtain power - which is debatable - why not think completely outside the box?...Cliff Floyd and Mike Piazza (while he's cold)! Of course Oakland would have to sacrifice a lot (and also need to clear salary significantly) in order to get what we 'need' in return.  Think Kendall (who we all know is a two/three year rental anyway...come to think of it, isn't everybody a rental when you get right down to it?), Zito, and a certain very popular center fielder who I will take much grief from the rest of the AN for even suggesting that he be dealt for what 'needs' to a shake-up.
   

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by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:36 AM PDT   0 recs

Keep Durazo
and bat him fourth for crying out loud!

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 4:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed-don't dump Durazo
He might have been our best hitter last year and is the only one showing any signs of hitting for power right now.
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 6:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To Ohad,
I don't want to hear about no-trade clauses while I'm taking bong hits!!!
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by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:39 AM PDT   0 recs

Sweeney
 I mentioned getting him on another A's board and got blasted. This was weeks ago.  If the A's want to win this year, I would attempt to get Sweeney. K.C. would be into this trade and we would not have to give away the farm.  We need someone that can hit with RISP, Sweeney is this type.

Will Beane go this route? Probably not.

by sommers on May 9, 2005 5:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Patience is a hard thing to acquire-
Yesterday's game was tough- real tough- to watch.  And like most of the posters on this site, I kept thinking the "what if's"-  what if we fire macha, trade players, acquire Sweeney, etc.

I came to the conclusion that if this team really wants to compete in years to come- we have to sacrifice a little bit this year and accept the fact that we can't have a playoff team every year.   We have to build on our young pitchers slowly and intelligently- and not trade away our future young talent for aging but perhaps more productive talent such as Sweeney.

Patience is hard to promote, especially if your team is playing pitifully-  but we've got to keep our heads straight and not sell the farm.

The greenmachine

by greenmachine on May 9, 2005 5:24 AM PDT   0 recs

Unfortunately,
I think this is the right "move."  It's just a shame some of our "stars" are so absolutely dreadful.

Byrnes will soon be gone .. thank goodness, man, he's bad. Just bad all around.
Chavez .... well, he's got to look himself in the mirror everyday knowing he's stealing money. If he can live with it, so can I.

It will be 2006 before you know it ... it's a shame though too, because Macha will probably be fired, and the players will be to blame. Maybe Wash will get his chance after all.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on May 9, 2005 5:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree...
We already gave up Hudson and Mulder to put us in a good position for the future.  What more can we possibly give up?  

I would like to see Dan Johnson get called up.  Can anyone explain why he isn't get a shot?  I'm sure there's a good reason...I HOPE there's a good reason.

by keNbO on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm....
...i think i'm still leaning toward NOT making a move.
Looking at Sweeney's numbers over the past few years, and because of injuries, you pretty much
get Byrnes' 2004 season- 20 or so HRs, maybe 70-80 RBI. Of course Sweeney puts up these numbers in just 400 ABs, but if he can't stay healthy...

Also, i noticed he wears the captain's 'C' for the Royals. Does anyone know what the fans think of him there? Do they want him gone?

by easyrichboy on May 9, 2005 5:26 AM PDT   0 recs

sweeney NOT the answer, long/short term
i'ii agree with some of the above posters. sweeney is too expensive (11 mil in '05) and too
injury-prone (chronic lower disc problems) to be taken seriously as a trade option.

IF BB does make a move it'ii be:

  1. firing hudgens (what, does this guy have compromising pix og billy or something?) and hope whomever he bring in will light a fire.
  2. trade for a cheap, short term contract who is an older player with a high RBI/HR history who can bat BEHIND chavy OR a cheap, not yet arbie eligible with a high-end future power bat potential.
something needs to be done...the a's are in  
a severe rut.
The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento" Committee is now taking new members. Membership is free.

by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 6:01 AM PDT   0 recs

Make a move or wait for a July firesale
This team, as presently constituted, will not contend.  The gap with the Angels will continue to grow as the season progresses.  I'm not sure I'd give up what we have of value right now for ageing or oft-injured players like Sweeney.  I'm much more in favor of a quick upgrade (still don't mind Sanders) if it doesn't cost much, just to see if it can give the offense some life.  But a more likely scenario is deals for Hatteberg, Durazo, Byrnes, and Dotel in the summer.  Acquire some young power and maybe another young starting arm.  Prepare for 2006 and beyond.

by boilerdan on May 9, 2005 6:03 AM PDT   0 recs

Feeling Very Patient Today
Very, very patient.  

And calm.  Very, very calm.

Because I've got a good feeling about this series in Boston.  

No changes for me, thanks.

Just as long as I have my medicine.

by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 6:54 AM PDT   0 recs

Can I have some of that medicine too?
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 7:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I wish
I was as optimistic.  :/
My heart can't take it anymore!  
GO A's!!!

by AsGirl on May 9, 2005 7:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go...
...I wanna be sedated
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by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 7:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Last week, it was the Talking Heads....
This week, The Ramones?
"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing at all
Just making sure we are on the same page for this week's music theme.  

Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em, that I got no cerebellum.

"Put a Milo on him."
-Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 9:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They're both NY bands
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No Worries, Gabba Gabba
Gonna have a real cool time and everything's gonna be real fine.

At least I think so.

by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Glue a performance enchancing drug?
If not...
"I wanna sniff some glue, now I want something to do..."
"IDIOT RUINS GAME - Springfield forfeits pennant"

by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 9:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs