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The Law of Descending Pitchers In Order Of Their Non-Suckiness

So, for the first time in a long, long, LONG time, I actually jumped up out of my chair and cheered for the A’s like I cared as they scored three runs off Francisco Rodriguez in the ninth inning to tie the game. Unfortunately, that opened my cold, cold baseball heart just long enough to care about the bottom of the ninth.

I have an objection to the ninth inning pitcher, and I’m actually pretty angry about it. Kennedy sucks. Kennedy should be used when you are out of pitchers and the game is still going on in the twelfth. Kennedy is a giant white flag waved to Anaheim which said that our comeback was not important enough to actually try and win the game. The Angels should have beaten our best, or at least our second-best, and I don’t want to hear a La Russa-esque explanation for ‘saving’ someone for a situation that didn’t happen because you held back players.

You are on the road, Geren. Your job is to make sure that the Angels don’t score another run. You used the worst possible pitcher (even with matchups that you deemed favorable) to accomplish this, and you helped swing the A’s from an 8 ½ game deficit, where they could almost start the ‘what if’ rumblings, to a disappointing loss that put them over 10 back. I’m not saying that the A’s would have won the game sans Kennedy. But it was a virtual certainty that they would lose with him in the ninth. The A’s saw their last glimmer of hope for a competitive season go right out the window, and you allowed it to rest on Kennedy. Kennedy?

And in the "I’d like to lodge another complaint department", do you all remember the story of Dumbo? Small elephant, joins the circus, believes he can fly with the help of a magic feather? Loses feather, thinks he can’t fly, has to be told that he has the power, and it’s not in the feather?

You know what wouldn’t have helped the little elephant? If the radio announcer for the circus had repeatedly insisted that the feather was the reason for his skill and that he couldn’t do anything without the feather.

For all the joy I received in the first few innings from the hilariously bitter comments at Lackey’s expense, I really resent Fosse perpetuating the idea (which is no doubt in Blanton’s head already), that Blanton is a much better pitcher with Jason Kendall behind the dish. For the conspiracy theorists, the small sample size after the Kendall trade seems to lend credence to this, backed by Blanton’s own vigorous support of Kendall’s game-calling skill.

Not to go against the prevailing ‘good old days’ theory about how important a catcher is to a pitcher, but really...Suzuki didn’t give up eleven hits and five runs in six innings today; that was all Blanton. And lest we forget, the game that seemed to start Blanton’s recent slide, which included the now-famous Ichiro tackle, certainly showcased a really bad inning with the Blanton/Kendall battery. Kendall didn’t seem to be able to stop Blanton from giving up twelve hits and five runs over those six innings.

But that’s not even the point. The catching issue should be moot right now. Kendall is gone, and Suzuki is the catcher. Adjust accordingly. It does no one any good, least of all Blanton, to wish for anything different, and it actually may be detrimental to his pitching mental state.

Oh, and if anyone cares at this point, the summary of the game includes the A’s jumping on Lackey early, putting runners all over the bases in the first few innings. Donnie Murphy made his presence on the club known early, when he doubled in Marco Scutaro for the first A’s run (which is good, because I think the A’s are going to see a lot of both of them), and while Lackey proceeded to whine his way through the third, he actually walked Scutaro with the bases loaded to drive in the A’s second run. Piazza, continuing his torrid hitting against the Angels, added a solo homer to the cause and a huge single in the ninth as the A’s offense, after a few quiet innings, made it interesting against Rodriguez, who also did the unthinkable by walking in a run, giving our magical Marco one last shot at him, ultimately tying the game with a sac fly.

Unfortunately, today was one of those rare days when both Lackey and Rodriguez seemed...well...beatable, and the A’s just didn’t get the pitching to get the win. Not for the first time, I wish we could mix and match some of our dominant pitching performances that went for losses to help win a game like today’s. And I sure wish I knew what was going on in Swisher’s head right now, because he’s not right at the plate.

Taking two out of three from the Angels in a July series should feel better than it does. Unfortunately, the A’s are in a position where two out of three is no longer good enough to really keep them a part of this season, and they came so very close to shaving their third game off the standings in as many days.

Ugh.

The A’s head to Seattle, in search of making a dent in the race for second place, for a four game series, starting tomorrow.

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I don't think Geren really knows anything..

about baseball, let alone managing a squad.
like Kendall told Geren: "Go F#%k yourself!"

just becuase you eat a bowl of wheaties and wear champions sweats: it doesn't make you a winner

by Erik being Erik on Jul 25, 2007 4:18 PM PDT   0 recs

When did Kendall say that?

Interesting.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 25, 2007 4:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

when suzuki was brought up
just becuase you eat a bowl of wheaties and wear champions sweats: it doesn't make you a winner

by Erik being Erik on Jul 27, 2007 3:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

JoKe paraphrased in Anchorman...

Where did you get your pitcher...a toilet store??

Green Hulk Fists

by oaklandSMASH on Jul 25, 2007 4:20 PM PDT   0 recs

kennedy...

Can Beane DFA him already? It seems it's a better idea than keeping him on the roster, even if we get nothing.

by swisherroks33 on Jul 25, 2007 4:21 PM PDT   0 recs

DFA kennedy

and bring up ziegler. even if he isnt ready, anyones better than kennedy......

by jackcustismyhero32 on Jul 25, 2007 4:24 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm with you BBG

about the Suzuki, Kendall nonsense.  DiNardo didn't seem to have a problem with Suzuki yesterday, nor did Braden the day before.  I don't know whether or not Blanton is using that for an excuse or not, I would hope not, but why Fosse keeps harping on it is beyond me.

by china bob on Jul 25, 2007 4:24 PM PDT   0 recs

On the radio

I heard Fosse say Blanton's problems were all with pitches up.  Same as his first inning today.

Now if the radio guy can see it, where is Curt Young?
I'm sure Suzuki can put down a lower target.

When the pitchers are missing, you see all the extra catcher glove work that tells the story.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 25, 2007 4:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lowering the

the tareget does nothing if the pitcher can not hit it.  

by Tankbark on Jul 25, 2007 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would seriously consider firing Fosse

Fosse is sabotaging the career of a young catcher and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy in the pitcher's minds with his obsessive Kendall love. It may be time for Fosse to go elsewhere if he can't shut his fucking mouth.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jul 25, 2007 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you give Fosse too much credit
I find your lack of Faith disturbing...

by rebus on Jul 25, 2007 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately

So do many players.  He needs to shut up about Kendall, and quit perpetuating a myth that was always stupid and now is stupid and dangerous.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jul 25, 2007 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Remember this

It's not just what he says on the air.  He travels with the team and talks to players on the team off the air both formally and informally.  If Fosse is constantly reinforcing the idea (I really don't know if he is) that Kendall was some mythical force in their success, it may impact the confidence pitchers have in Suzuki.  If I were Beane, I would tell him to shut the fuck up and I would seriously consider keeping him away from my players if he didn't.

I'd like to eat my lunch, but Billy just kicked me out of my office.

by BlameChannel53 on Jul 25, 2007 4:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe in the

"Kendall Effect" way more than I believe in the "Fosse effect." I suspect that Blanton (and probably many others) very much preferred working with Kendall; and Kendall is just a better catcher at this point than Suzuki. Kendall's game-calling was somewhat more of a factor on this team than others because he actually did basically call the pitches, whereas in many (probably most) clubs the pitcher basically calls the pitches.

None of this is to say that I miss Kendall in the slightest; just that I don't think Fosse is conducting a dangerous campaign of sedition.

by mikeA on Jul 25, 2007 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

< Fosse stages raid on Harpers Ferry >
I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2007 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right on, Mike A!

I agree with you 98 percent.

However, I do agree that Mr. Fosse should begin to tout the positives in Mr. Suzuki's game as he shows, over time, what he does well.  It may sound hokey to some, but most players do better when the fans are vociferously on their side.  Home field advantage is a real thing.  Fosse should help get the fans behind the rookie.  He's a "homer," and it's okay to be (quite possibly) the voice of the pitchers' gripes about the loss of Mr. Kendall.  I just don't want him to be doing it at the expense of Mr. Suzuki, either.  Balance is key.

"We are all gods. You can never underestimate the creative potential of a human being. Nor the destructive potential."- Robert Pollard, GbV

by The Pilots Dared Me To Die on Jul 25, 2007 11:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

both pitchers

have worked with Suzuki before---Dallas in AAA and then he was DiNardo's catcher before Kendall left...it will take sometime...you dont change centers in the middle of the game and have no exchange problems..

by Tankbark on Jul 25, 2007 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know our press is soft...

...but if the hard question isn't asked this time, I think I might stop reading sports pages forever.

Bill King was the only one to do it during the Macha years.

by NewPosterMojo on Jul 25, 2007 4:25 PM PDT   0 recs

And I'm not talking about the usual...

"Hey Bob, why'd you decide to use Kennedy in that situation?"

Then the next series of unrelated questions.

by NewPosterMojo on Jul 25, 2007 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No blame for Bowen?

He dropped a pitch that wasnt even close to the dirt that allowed the runner to go to 3rd.  Even with Shan in LF, there would have been a play on the ball Izturis hit.

A catcher can;t just drop a ball like that in that situation.  Kennedy is dogshit, yes..but Bowen should not escape for that passed ball either.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 25, 2007 4:25 PM PDT   0 recs

not sure whose fault that was

either Kennedy misread the sign or Bowen got confused.

I find your lack of Faith disturbing...

by rebus on Jul 25, 2007 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me either...

But even if he is crossed up.....still has to catch or block that.  Not like bitchboy Joe is throwing 98

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 25, 2007 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah,

it's not like Joe's stuff was fooling the hitters...

I find your lack of Faith disturbing...

by rebus on Jul 25, 2007 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

my point

Bowen needs to take control...go out there explain what number the pitch is and make sure your team knows.  the cathcer is in charge out there, somehting this team is lacking right now...I blame him for the lose today...no run scores on that hit if the runner is still at second

by Tankbark on Jul 25, 2007 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The only problem is that you can't guarantee that

Joke wouldn't have given up another basehit after the single by Izturis.  That could have easily happened.

"No comment."

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 25, 2007 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bowen

It wasn't a cross up.  Bowen flat out missed the ball.  There is no way Kotchman scores on that line drive.  He'd have to freeze in order to stay away from the DP.

Kennedy is taking too much of the blame.  Here,s my order:

  1. Bowen should have caught the Passedball.  
  1. Geren should not have used Embree in game1.  
  1. Geren should not have thrown Kennedy out there in the 9th.  The team NEEDED a shutdown inning right there, and he should have gone with Casilla, or Street, or another inning of Calero.
  1. Kennedy sucking.

by Colorado Fan on Jul 25, 2007 4:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On mlb.tv it was kind of sad to watch because

there was only an opening of about 4-5" between the umpires foot and Bowen's.  The ball barely got through there and it was clearly under Bowen's glove.  No doubt it was a horrible play by him.

mlb.tv- it's like they have a ZOOM camera to show the replay behind the plate.

"No comment."

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 25, 2007 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He wouldnt have froze..

There were 2 outs, he would have been off on contact...Would have definitely been a play at the plate if he went.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 25, 2007 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Official Scorer

Ruled that it was an unearned run, so I guess that answers the Kennedy or Bowen question (for me).

by Colorado Fan on Jul 26, 2007 11:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Murphy

Murphy looked good at the plate. His outs were even well hit. I didn't realize it wasn't mandatory that your shortstop bounce out at least twice a game to the opposing team's shortstop.

by SA on Jul 25, 2007 4:29 PM PDT   0 recs

He smoked the ball off K Rod too....

for the last out of the 9th..little air under that and it's gone

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 25, 2007 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least our offense picked up!

Before this one, we only scored 5 runs in the series against the O's and we scored 22 against the Angels.  It'll be interesting to see what happens against the Mariners.

"The other ones are Lance Uppercut, Sparky McTorso and Lance Manley." - Lenny DiNardo on the names of his gloves.

by Kimberly on Jul 25, 2007 4:33 PM PDT   0 recs

Anything less than a sweep was a series loss

It doesn't really matter if we took 2 of 3 here.  All the Angels really needed to do was win one game to keep the A's at a comfortable distance.  8.5 games out would have been soo much better than 10.5.  I think this was a nail in the casket type of loss.

by GusanoQuemador on Jul 25, 2007 4:37 PM PDT   0 recs

Ummm this is not how it works

The A's would've been 9.5 games back had they won today.

by awesomer on Jul 25, 2007 4:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No WormBurner is right

The A's started today 9.5 games back.  If they won, they would go to 8.5 back.  Since they lost, they fall to 10.5 back.

by AsFanInLA on Jul 25, 2007 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure as hell does...

There were 9.5 before the game.....Would have been 8.5 with a win and Angels lost.  Instead 10.5

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 25, 2007 4:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here is a great time to explain the magic # combo

but I'm too tired and want to go home now.

"No comment."

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 25, 2007 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ditto all that, bbg

When JoKe was brought in for the 9th, I decided that was the time I should go take my fresh-air break at work.

Where was Street? I don't understand this at all: activate Street yesterday, lengthen the pen while shortening the OF rotation and not addressing the already short-handed IF situation (Chavez unable to play, though Cros not yet hurt) -- and then not pitch Street either day?

I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2007 4:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Street

was activated and used on monday. I would have expected him to be available again today, but if he wasn't I wouldn't be too alarmed just yet. Though I also wouldn't be surprised if his injury recurred, regardless of how cautiously he is used.

Maybe the dark is from your eyes.

by andeux on Jul 25, 2007 6:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Embree?

Street? Geren was apparently saving Embree for the save. Fine. Then at least throw Street out there right now! Nope, he wants to do that whole lefty thing. Well then pitch Embree now and give Street the save! Joe Kennedy is so fuckign bad.

the problem is not "too many left handed hitters" but "too many suck handed hitters"-Zonis

by ohad on Jul 25, 2007 4:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Options

Embree had thrown each of the last 2 days and 3 of the last 4.  Casilla threw 30 pitches yesterday.  I don't think we can assume Street was available.

by Danny on Jul 25, 2007 5:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how can Street NOT be available?

Unless, of course, he's not actually healthy.

I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2007 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Would that

surprise you?

by Danny on Jul 25, 2007 5:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

nope

Although the only reason I can think of to activate him if he's not healthy is that Beane's actively shopping him (an idea I wouldn't at all oppose).

I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2007 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or
they're either bringing him back slowly or are worried about rustiness in a close game.

by Danny on Jul 25, 2007 5:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if you activate him, but won't pitch him ...

... yesterday or today, there's something funny going on.

I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2007 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Street was availiable...

Geren said it himself before the game.  I don't have the link, but he was saying that since Street pitched Monday that he was given Tuesday off, even though Street said he felt great.  And then Geren said he was definately availiable wednesday.  So Street was definately availiable...Geren just decided to wave the white flag...

Larry Davis is an All Star: Further proof that literally anything is possible.

by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 26, 2007 8:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not really

From the CC Times:

Closer Huston Street, who made his first appearance Monday after missing more than two months with a right elbow injury, has had some soreness in the elbow since then. But Geren downplayed it and said Street would have been available in an "emergency only" situation Wednesday. Geren had planned to be careful with Street anyway to ease him back into action.

As outsiders, management decisions often seem curious due to our incomplete information.  This is often the case with bullpen usage and reliever availability.

by Danny on Jul 26, 2007 6:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kinda wonder who made the call for Kennedy

I wonder if Geren is under orders via Beane to showcase Kennedy in high leverage situations in an attempt to boost his trade value. Failure doesn't matter because his perceived value can't go any lower.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 25, 2007 4:45 PM PDT   0 recs

I say you hide/not play him

so that you can say, "hey look at this <cough> great <snicker> pitcher.  he's fresh!".

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by DMOAS on Jul 25, 2007 4:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am certainly not naive enough to think Geren

actually runs the team especially in regards to personnel.  JoKe was definitely not worthy of the assigment he was given but he also wasn't the only want to blame.  Bowen clearly allowed a past ball that most high-school catchers would have stopped.

"No comment."

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 25, 2007 4:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bingo

Failure also doesn't matter because Beane's pulled the chain (justifiably so, at this point) on the season.

I'm not throwing in the towel, but I'm using it to wipe the sweat off my face and enjoy the rest of the season. ~ oaklandSMASH @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 25, 2007 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that is exactly

what I was thinking. Why else would you put your "worst" pitcher in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth????????

It does not make any sense otherwise.......and if that is the case then BB really and truly does not give a flying-fuck about this season, even if we had pulled off the sweep today.

and that..................is really sad.

by mrod on Jul 25, 2007 6:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I really doubt that

I can certainly see, "Hey Bob, get Kennedy some innings out of the pen, we want to trade him." I really don't think he'd insist on putting Kennedy in in high leverage situations, or rebuke him for not putting Kennedy in in this situation.

Also, there have been reports that several NL teams are interested, and he basically succeeded as a starter this year, so it's just plain wrong that his perceived value can't/couldn't have get/gotten any lower.

by mikeA on Jul 25, 2007 7:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard 3 NL teams were interested

Milwuakee, LA and Philly. The Brewers just traded 3 pitching prospects for Linebrink so they're out of the running. Philly has very little to offer and no one above High-A ball unless they pull someone off the big league roster. The Dodgers have the prospects but they're busy fishing for the big names, they won't want to part with anyone who could net them someone they want more.

Yep. Warm and fuzzy... that's me.

by grover on Jul 25, 2007 8:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Absurd, Geren

The A's played like today's game was critical. Too bad the manager didn't follow suit. I can understand putting Kennedy out there for the two lefties and Matthews, who hits much better left-handed, but either Street or Casilla had to be out there for Izturis. I've generally liked the job Geren has done this year, but he blew it big time today.

"You are not very good, Dad. You always lose." --Dylan

by dylantravis on Jul 25, 2007 4:48 PM PDT   0 recs

I guess I am the only one

who did not have a problem with Kennedy starting the 9th.  He comes in to face two lefties -- and lefites are hitting .164 against Kennedy (and only OPSing .465) this season.  Matthews was a calculated risk, but he is OPSing .611 vs lefties this year, again not a bad matchup.  

My problem was one I had with Macha in the past which is that of being proactive.  You need to have Street loosening up in case Kennedy puts a guy in scoring position.  Street would have matched up great vs Izturis/Quinlan/Mathis and I would have liked to have seen Kennedy lifted and let Street (or Casilla if available) face Izturis.

All you can do is put your guys in good situations.  If you cannot use a LOOGY (which is what Kennedy really has become) against the three guys that the Angels had coming up in the 9th, then when can you use them?

<ducks in anticipation of AN response>

by AsFanInLA on Jul 25, 2007 4:53 PM PDT   0 recs

No, you're not

See my comment above.

"You are not very good, Dad. You always lose." --Dylan

by dylantravis on Jul 25, 2007 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you

I understood why Kennedy was brought in to start the inning - but leaving him in to face Izturis was certain failure.  

As much as I dislike how Geren managed the 9th, this one I really hang on Blanton.  Granted he made a couple of good pitches that got hit - that happens - but for the most part he was missing his spots and he continues to look awful in July.  Vlad being out of the lineup was a gift and he couldn't take advantage of it.

by coffee roaster on Jul 25, 2007 6:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with this too.

I didn't really have a problem with using him... until he got a runner on and in scoring position. They should have known he's Kennedy and he sucks and they should've had someone warming up to face Izturis.

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Jul 25, 2007 7:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just saw the pass ball

by Bowen on ESPN, clearly the catchers fault which put the runner on 3rd.  That changed the entire dynamic of the situation.  Kennedy is not totally to blame for this loss, and god knows I am not a Kennedy apologist, I expected so much more from him than he has given the A's.  I just hope the A's can get something for him.

by china bob on Jul 25, 2007 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I agree that the passed ball was on Bowen... but I still do not think that Kennedy should have been facing Izturis with a runner in scoring position.

I used to not mind Kennedy... I thought he was effective in short relief appearances (I thought his biggest problem was going through the rotation for a 2nd or 3rd time), but I'm starting to think that he is a lost cause now. I also hope we get something good from him. :)

"I never saw a hooligan I did like. They're like left-handed pitchers, they all have a screw loose somewhere." - The Asphalt Jungle

by drmmerchk on Jul 25, 2007 9:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There has to be a way to get

Chin-lung Hu from the Dodgers. Pleeeease!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2007 9:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Holy Crapolini!

I just looked up Hu's stats and after 50 ABs in AAA, he's hitting .420/.442/.680--after hitting .329 in AA to earn the promotion.

<drool>

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2007 9:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I suggested this on another thread

Would they accept Robnett and Kennedy for him? It would probably be a downgrade talent-wise for LA, but Hu isn't much good to them except as a bargaining chip.

by PaulThomas on Jul 26, 2007 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would do that, and I would even do

Kennedy and Braden. Every team needs good young pitching prospects and Braden is arguably one. That seems like an awfully good deal for the Dodgers--and yet a very good one for the A's. That trade would mean Oakland could still package any of Harden, Johnson and Crosby in the off-season, or any of Stewart, Johnson and Piazza now, to get a plus CFer and suddenly you could have (pick your own favorite batting order):

Hu - SS
Barton - 1B
Upgrade - CF
Cust - DH
Swisher - RF
Buck - LF
Chavez - 3B
Ellis - 2B
Suzuki - C

Rotation: Haren, Blanton, Gaudin, Loiaza, DiNardo (Harden?)

Bullpen: Street, Duchscherer, Casilla, Embree, etc.

Heck, yes--that team can win in 2008!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2007 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Preface: This will never happen

but wouldn't it be nice if the A's could trade, say, Harden and Braden for Adam Jones, and Kennedy and Robnett for Hu?

This would be an awesome roster:

1B Barton
2B Ellis
SS Hu
3B Chavez
C Suzuki
OF Buck
OF Denorfia
OF Swisher
DH Cust

OF Jones
OF Snelling
INF Crosby
C/1B/3B J. Brown (or JD Closser if you will)

Starters: Haren, Blanton, Gaudin, Loaiza, DiNardo (Madsen, Simmons)
Relievers: Street, Duke, Calero, Casilla, Embree,  A. Brown, Meyer

Bavasi is incredibly short-sighted and stupid, however. So even though Seattle desperately needs pitching, he won't deal Jones, certainly not to the A's who he fears and despises. Which is a pity, because if there's one thing the A's have in quantity, it's starting pitching. If you were to include Kennedy in the number, the A's have no less than TEN guys (Haren, Blanton, Gaudin, Harden, Loaiza, DiNardo, Kennedy, Madsen, Simmons and Meyer) who could be rotation pieces as soon as next year. Not to mention 7th starter/AAAA guys like Halsey, Windsor and Komine.

by PaulThomas on Jul 26, 2007 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs